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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://csbj.com/2007/12/03/young-professional-whiners-column-causes-a-stir/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny I&#039;ve never seen drink specials at the events. There are a lot of high level business people that you meet there like VP&#039;s and business owners. And as far as a meat market goes...you put a cute, successful woman in a room full of men she&#039;ll get spoken too. Especially since such quality is rare in town. I&#039;ve hit on women at church does that make my church a meatmarket? No. Sounds like some people don&#039;t know how to network because I&#039;ve known a lot of people who&#039;ve gotten somewhere. Funny I think the people that agree with you are actually the &quot;whiners&quot; in town that expect something to be handed to them. John has created the largest young professionals group in Colorado. It&#039;s a pity you are bashing him. He&#039;s done more for this community than others. His events are free too. I commend him for his volunteer effort to get such a thing going in a town that otherwise can really suck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny I&#8217;ve never seen drink specials at the events. There are a lot of high level business people that you meet there like VP&#8217;s and business owners. And as far as a meat market goes&#8230;you put a cute, successful woman in a room full of men she&#8217;ll get spoken too. Especially since such quality is rare in town. I&#8217;ve hit on women at church does that make my church a meatmarket? No. Sounds like some people don&#8217;t know how to network because I&#8217;ve known a lot of people who&#8217;ve gotten somewhere. Funny I think the people that agree with you are actually the &#8220;whiners&#8221; in town that expect something to be handed to them. John has created the largest young professionals group in Colorado. It&#8217;s a pity you are bashing him. He&#8217;s done more for this community than others. His events are free too. I commend him for his volunteer effort to get such a thing going in a town that otherwise can really suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have attended several CSYP events, Jon is a great guy with alot of vision, but at 39 I felt like a babysitter at the events. Its sad that the over 35 group is non-existent in the night life, guess they are at church or home watching TV. For everyone interested in Colorado spring, don&#039;t ,move to Denver an experience a real city]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have attended several CSYP events, Jon is a great guy with alot of vision, but at 39 I felt like a babysitter at the events. Its sad that the over 35 group is non-existent in the night life, guess they are at church or home watching TV. For everyone interested in Colorado spring, don&#8217;t ,move to Denver an experience a real city</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lon,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am a member of the CSYP.  I work as a financial advisor helping to manage over $250 in retirement accounts.  I am a very active member of the arts community (theStickHorses.com).  I am active in my church (www.PulpitRock.com).  I occasionally get to rub elbows with some of the city&#039;s most successful men at the El Paso Club.  I&#039;m involved in the county GOP.  I&#039;ve been to Chamber events, I&#039;ve been extremely active in the HBA, and I’ve attended charity events.  I&#039;m &quot;out there&quot; as much as anybody.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can say unequivocally:  careers are limited in Colorado Springs.  I&#039;ve shaken more hands and kissed more babies than 99% of anyone else that I know and when I was looking to change careers in the middle of 2006 I found my choices very limited despite extensive experience.  I was looking to get out of the financial field and into something more creative -- like marketing and advertising (note I didn&#039;t say sales -- that was on purpose).  But the majority of marketing firms are either (1).  Mom-and-pop shops or (2).  Door-to-door sales that call themselves &quot;marketing&quot;.  I had spear-headed several marketing campaigns for myself, including one that garnered TV and radio interviews for its creativity (http://www.hunterwillis.com/Press_release_Financial_Planning_for_Food.pdf) and wrote scores of sales letters.  Despite all of this, I couldn&#039;t even get a phone interview -- all the shops were full.  I moved to another financial firm and after 18 months I increased our market penetration by 1,000% and increased revenue per client by an average of 20%.  I’d love to get a promotion but there is no where for me to go – I’m already at the highest level I can achieve.  The job situation became very clear:  If you want to start your own business, Colorado Springs is a great place to be.  If you want to move up the corporate ladder, you can’t even start in Colorado Springs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for CSYP being on the same level as the Chamber...  my answer:  absolutely!  The old model of networking is:  what&#039;s in it for me?  It is the same as the Boomer mantra:  Gimme, gimme, gimme!  The entire world is changing and Boomers like you don&#039;t see it.  Or you see it and choose to ignore it -- like your retirement accounts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Late Gen X&#039;ers (1970 and later) and Gen Y&#039;ers are more about building mutual trust than any generation before.  Relationships are the driving force behind our decisions.  Though personal gain is always a factor, it is not like our parents where personal gain trumped dignity, integrity, and common sense.  Look at the rise of Facebook and MySpace -- zero content platforms that make millions based solely on relationships.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m a proud member of the CYSP and I have many people from that group that I call my friends.  And I&#039;ve even done business with several of those members.  The difference is that I built the trust first.  The immediate gratification that the Boomers have become so accustomed to is changing -- too bad you&#039;re too old to see that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lon,</p>
<p>I am a member of the CSYP.  I work as a financial advisor helping to manage over $250 in retirement accounts.  I am a very active member of the arts community (theStickHorses.com).  I am active in my church (www.PulpitRock.com).  I occasionally get to rub elbows with some of the city&#8217;s most successful men at the El Paso Club.  I&#8217;m involved in the county GOP.  I&#8217;ve been to Chamber events, I&#8217;ve been extremely active in the HBA, and I’ve attended charity events.  I&#8217;m &#8220;out there&#8221; as much as anybody.</p>
<p>I can say unequivocally:  careers are limited in Colorado Springs.  I&#8217;ve shaken more hands and kissed more babies than 99% of anyone else that I know and when I was looking to change careers in the middle of 2006 I found my choices very limited despite extensive experience.  I was looking to get out of the financial field and into something more creative &#8212; like marketing and advertising (note I didn&#8217;t say sales &#8212; that was on purpose).  But the majority of marketing firms are either (1).  Mom-and-pop shops or (2).  Door-to-door sales that call themselves &#8220;marketing&#8221;.  I had spear-headed several marketing campaigns for myself, including one that garnered TV and radio interviews for its creativity (<a href="http://www.hunterwillis.com/Press_release_Financial_Planning_for_Food.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hunterwillis.com/Press_release_Financial_Planning_for_Food.pdf</a>) and wrote scores of sales letters.  Despite all of this, I couldn&#8217;t even get a phone interview &#8212; all the shops were full.  I moved to another financial firm and after 18 months I increased our market penetration by 1,000% and increased revenue per client by an average of 20%.  I’d love to get a promotion but there is no where for me to go – I’m already at the highest level I can achieve.  The job situation became very clear:  If you want to start your own business, Colorado Springs is a great place to be.  If you want to move up the corporate ladder, you can’t even start in Colorado Springs.</p>
<p>As for CSYP being on the same level as the Chamber&#8230;  my answer:  absolutely!  The old model of networking is:  what&#8217;s in it for me?  It is the same as the Boomer mantra:  Gimme, gimme, gimme!  The entire world is changing and Boomers like you don&#8217;t see it.  Or you see it and choose to ignore it &#8212; like your retirement accounts.</p>
<p>Late Gen X&#8217;ers (1970 and later) and Gen Y&#8217;ers are more about building mutual trust than any generation before.  Relationships are the driving force behind our decisions.  Though personal gain is always a factor, it is not like our parents where personal gain trumped dignity, integrity, and common sense.  Look at the rise of Facebook and MySpace &#8212; zero content platforms that make millions based solely on relationships.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a proud member of the CYSP and I have many people from that group that I call my friends.  And I&#8217;ve even done business with several of those members.  The difference is that I built the trust first.  The immediate gratification that the Boomers have become so accustomed to is changing &#8212; too bad you&#8217;re too old to see that.</p>
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		<title>By: seasoned internet observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>seasoned internet observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[all i ever got was junk email. so i quit before i ever attended. but who wants to go to the zoo anyway?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i expected drink specials and a meat market atmosphere, after all there&#039;s a martini in the &#039;logo.&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;it didn&#039;t seem any different than just going to a bar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all i ever got was junk email. so i quit before i ever attended. but who wants to go to the zoo anyway?</p>
<p>i expected drink specials and a meat market atmosphere, after all there&#8217;s a martini in the &#8216;logo.&#8217;</p>
<p>it didn&#8217;t seem any different than just going to a bar.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a former member and I quit going because there was no actual forum for any sort of business related anything. Drink specials were the highlight of the evening. I am 26 years old, I guess that makes me a &quot;young&quot; professional, but I would much rather go to the Chamber After Hours functions and hang with the grown ups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a former member and I quit going because there was no actual forum for any sort of business related anything. Drink specials were the highlight of the evening. I am 26 years old, I guess that makes me a &#8220;young&#8221; professional, but I would much rather go to the Chamber After Hours functions and hang with the grown ups.</p>
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		<title>By: Hi-d</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hi-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My freind found her husband at one of their events!  I quit going because it was a meat market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My freind found her husband at one of their events!  I quit going because it was a meat market.</p>
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