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	<title>Comments on: Let&#8217;s increase the hospitality tax and build a convention center</title>
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		<title>By: Allen Greenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guys, read the piece with a little more care, please. I never blame the City Council for any of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, read the piece with a little more care, please. I never blame the City Council for any of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stovall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Stovall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Allen.  I have to agree with Scott.  There was a tremendous effort made to move discussion about a downtown convention center forward. There were multiple supporters, the Chamber, EDC, developers and planners.  Some of the leadership behind the idea did so at great professional risk to himself.  The interests that opposed the idea, led by the Broadmoor, knew exactly what they were doing when they said that the City couldn&#039;t even engage in the discussion.  They ran the measure as an anti-tax measure. Note the language that voters have to approve the complete project, not just the idea of discussing the project. If we are going to have any public effort to start the planning process, then help identify a &quot;few smart people&quot; who can initiate the planning and then initiate a measure for the ballot that will repeal or satisfy the Broadmoor initiative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Allen.  I have to agree with Scott.  There was a tremendous effort made to move discussion about a downtown convention center forward. There were multiple supporters, the Chamber, EDC, developers and planners.  Some of the leadership behind the idea did so at great professional risk to himself.  The interests that opposed the idea, led by the Broadmoor, knew exactly what they were doing when they said that the City couldn&#8217;t even engage in the discussion.  They ran the measure as an anti-tax measure. Note the language that voters have to approve the complete project, not just the idea of discussing the project. If we are going to have any public effort to start the planning process, then help identify a &#8220;few smart people&#8221; who can initiate the planning and then initiate a measure for the ballot that will repeal or satisfy the Broadmoor initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hente</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take some offense with the statement that &quot;Building a convention center isn’t a new idea. In fact, it received considerable debate about five years ago before being shelved by the City Council.&quot;

In fact, many of us on Council were in favor of a new convention center, as were many members of the Urban Renewal Authority, on which I also sit.  We were excited by some of the possibilities we saw, especially in concert with the Southwest Urban Renewal Area.  However, the voters approved a Charter change in 2005 that started off with (article 11-70):

&quot;The City of Colorado Springs shall be prohibited from planning, building, funding, or financing a convention center, with or without a hotel or other ancillary structures, unless a majority of voters gives prior approval to the complete project at a regular or special municipal election.&quot;

So here&#039;s the Catch 22: how do we start the process of thinking about a new convention center if we are prohibited from even &quot;planning&quot; one?  And how do you get the voters to approve a &quot;complete project&quot; if we can&#039;t plan, fund, or finance under the rules of the charter?

This proposed charter change was a campaign issue when I ran for re-election in 2005.  I heard several of the candidates say (me included) that a charter change too severely tied our hands when planning for the City but a slick campaign for the charter change won out.

You can blame Council for some things, but not this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take some offense with the statement that &#8220;Building a convention center isn’t a new idea. In fact, it received considerable debate about five years ago before being shelved by the City Council.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, many of us on Council were in favor of a new convention center, as were many members of the Urban Renewal Authority, on which I also sit.  We were excited by some of the possibilities we saw, especially in concert with the Southwest Urban Renewal Area.  However, the voters approved a Charter change in 2005 that started off with (article 11-70):</p>
<p>&#8220;The City of Colorado Springs shall be prohibited from planning, building, funding, or financing a convention center, with or without a hotel or other ancillary structures, unless a majority of voters gives prior approval to the complete project at a regular or special municipal election.&#8221;</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the Catch 22: how do we start the process of thinking about a new convention center if we are prohibited from even &#8220;planning&#8221; one?  And how do you get the voters to approve a &#8220;complete project&#8221; if we can&#8217;t plan, fund, or finance under the rules of the charter?</p>
<p>This proposed charter change was a campaign issue when I ran for re-election in 2005.  I heard several of the candidates say (me included) that a charter change too severely tied our hands when planning for the City but a slick campaign for the charter change won out.</p>
<p>You can blame Council for some things, but not this one.</p>
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		<title>By: RCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea has merit and deserves further study to see if you can support such a facility.  You&#039;re a different market than DC though so it&#039;s apples and oranges to go with that comparison.  

Don&#039;t have a build it and they will come attitude, get a study done.  See if you have the infrastructure to support more meetings/trade shows and if a new facility can co-exist and compliment current product and try it again.  

Also look at other things that could be enhanced with an increase in taxes, marketing campaigns, signage, etc...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea has merit and deserves further study to see if you can support such a facility.  You&#8217;re a different market than DC though so it&#8217;s apples and oranges to go with that comparison.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t have a build it and they will come attitude, get a study done.  See if you have the infrastructure to support more meetings/trade shows and if a new facility can co-exist and compliment current product and try it again.  </p>
<p>Also look at other things that could be enhanced with an increase in taxes, marketing campaigns, signage, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: buddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 04:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Broadmoor and Steve Bartolin will exhibit their selfishness once more on this issue. 

While they argued last time that the tiny tax increase to tourists would cause them to lose business, as soon as the effort failed, they instituted their own $12 &quot;resort fee&quot; for all guests.  

There is no question that the benefit to the community would far outweigh the costs, but you need to find a way to get around the Broadmoor&#039;s selfishness and the money they will put behind defeating it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Broadmoor and Steve Bartolin will exhibit their selfishness once more on this issue. </p>
<p>While they argued last time that the tiny tax increase to tourists would cause them to lose business, as soon as the effort failed, they instituted their own $12 &#8220;resort fee&#8221; for all guests.  </p>
<p>There is no question that the benefit to the community would far outweigh the costs, but you need to find a way to get around the Broadmoor&#8217;s selfishness and the money they will put behind defeating it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Greenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So that&#039;s it? The voters say no once and everyone gives up? Times change. Sensibilities change. You can throw up your hands and suggest there&#039;s no way. Or we can lock a few of the smart people in a room, come up with a campaign that makes sense in today&#039;s context and push for what&#039;s good for this city.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that&#8217;s it? The voters say no once and everyone gives up? Times change. Sensibilities change. You can throw up your hands and suggest there&#8217;s no way. Or we can lock a few of the smart people in a room, come up with a campaign that makes sense in today&#8217;s context and push for what&#8217;s good for this city.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stovall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Stovall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with RJF.  The Broadmoor isn&#039;t too worried that there is no place for the HBA and other trade shows - not their market. Not even the combined efforts of the Chamber, Terry Sullivan and the downtown developers were able to make it happen once the voters got a chance to say no way. The ease of the initiative process is a real impediment to visionary leadership.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with RJF.  The Broadmoor isn&#8217;t too worried that there is no place for the HBA and other trade shows &#8211; not their market. Not even the combined efforts of the Chamber, Terry Sullivan and the downtown developers were able to make it happen once the voters got a chance to say no way. The ease of the initiative process is a real impediment to visionary leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: RJF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Broadmoor was instrumental in defeating the Proposition in 2004-2005 &amp; will prevail again.  Looking to the future is not a prominent feature of our little Village.  Great Idea ... but it will never fly here because of the &quot;cheap&quot; mentality of the people.  Just ask Terry Sullivan how crushing the last defeat of your admirable idea was ......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Broadmoor was instrumental in defeating the Proposition in 2004-2005 &amp; will prevail again.  Looking to the future is not a prominent feature of our little Village.  Great Idea &#8230; but it will never fly here because of the &#8220;cheap&#8221; mentality of the people.  Just ask Terry Sullivan how crushing the last defeat of your admirable idea was &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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