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		<title>By: Rick Barry</title>
		<link>http://csbj.com/2012/01/23/manitou-event-center-shaping-up/comment-page-1/#comment-66087</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The twelve outdoor events is a relatively new occurance. Where did the lowering the impact for 80% of the residents data come from.  I still believe the impact is too great for Manitou Springs to absorb.  The new parking would include approximately 800 spaces, Julian&#039;s previous estimate. Will the rest park on the Flats or our streets creating an additional burden to an already stressed parking situation.  

.I encourage Julian to be forthcoming with what events he is considerring moving out of the downtown area.  Would it be the Marti Gras parade?  Would it be the Emma Crawford races.  Julian knows that I am a recent member of the Manitou Springs City Council, a past president of the Manit
ou Springs Economic Development Council and currently sit on the Manitou Springs Forward executive committee.  I have a long history of supporting all on the residents of Manitou Springs. 

 I do not believe that Julian is a &quot;heartless developer&quot;, I  do believe that he does want to profit from his ventures and I do not fault him for that.  I think Julian is a nice person, but I do not support an outdoor ampitheater in Manitou Springs due to the negative impact I believe it will have on all of our residents.

I encourage Julian to seek a different venue for his dream.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The twelve outdoor events is a relatively new occurance. Where did the lowering the impact for 80% of the residents data come from.  I still believe the impact is too great for Manitou Springs to absorb.  The new parking would include approximately 800 spaces, Julian&#8217;s previous estimate. Will the rest park on the Flats or our streets creating an additional burden to an already stressed parking situation.  </p>
<p>.I encourage Julian to be forthcoming with what events he is considerring moving out of the downtown area.  Would it be the Marti Gras parade?  Would it be the Emma Crawford races.  Julian knows that I am a recent member of the Manitou Springs City Council, a past president of the Manit<br />
ou Springs Economic Development Council and currently sit on the Manitou Springs Forward executive committee.  I have a long history of supporting all on the residents of Manitou Springs. </p>
<p> I do not believe that Julian is a &#8220;heartless developer&#8221;, I  do believe that he does want to profit from his ventures and I do not fault him for that.  I think Julian is a nice person, but I do not support an outdoor ampitheater in Manitou Springs due to the negative impact I believe it will have on all of our residents.</p>
<p>I encourage Julian to seek a different venue for his dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Heron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Heron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Rick

Rick I&#039;m glad you raise this issue.    As you know quite well, our current plan includes 9-12 outdoor events, some of which are existing in Maniou today.    Unlike events today, this plan would include new parking to accomidate events thereby actually reducing the existing conjestion.    This sounds more like a &quot;not in my backyard&quot; issue, as your ok with Non &quot;westside&quot; residents dealing with the noise and congestion of existing events, but spin it to quality of life when a facility that would lower impact for 80% of the residents, while increasing your personal impact is proposed.  

I think the best guage of how sensitive I would be to the residents would be based upon the existing event I hold in Manitou.    I allow Manitou non-profits booths for free (to enable their own fundraising), I hold the event during the day to mitigate the impact on the &quot;bedroom community&quot;, most years, I&#039;ve left the playground open to not impact family&#039;s.   When this project started, I first offered it to the city to get involved as a potential method to solve several of their problems with revenue &amp; parking.   Rick may want you to believe I&#039;m a &quot;heartless developer&quot;, but I believe you&#039;ll find quite the opposite to be true if you take the time to ask.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rick</p>
<p>Rick I&#8217;m glad you raise this issue.    As you know quite well, our current plan includes 9-12 outdoor events, some of which are existing in Maniou today.    Unlike events today, this plan would include new parking to accomidate events thereby actually reducing the existing conjestion.    This sounds more like a &#8220;not in my backyard&#8221; issue, as your ok with Non &#8220;westside&#8221; residents dealing with the noise and congestion of existing events, but spin it to quality of life when a facility that would lower impact for 80% of the residents, while increasing your personal impact is proposed.  </p>
<p>I think the best guage of how sensitive I would be to the residents would be based upon the existing event I hold in Manitou.    I allow Manitou non-profits booths for free (to enable their own fundraising), I hold the event during the day to mitigate the impact on the &#8220;bedroom community&#8221;, most years, I&#8217;ve left the playground open to not impact family&#8217;s.   When this project started, I first offered it to the city to get involved as a potential method to solve several of their problems with revenue &amp; parking.   Rick may want you to believe I&#8217;m a &#8220;heartless developer&#8221;, but I believe you&#8217;ll find quite the opposite to be true if you take the time to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would encourage Julian to find a venue that is not directly adjacent to residential backyards.  The noise, light polution and traffic during the multiple outside activities will negatively impact the residents of Manitou&#039;s westside.  When Julian asked me about the project, I told him it would destroy the quality of life I enjoy in Manitou Springs.  The noise produced during the outside concerts will be pumped into Manitou Springs effecting most of our city, due to Manitou Springs being situated in a valley.  I would suggest that Julian fill the proposed site with the lights and sound necessary for a multi-hour concert and determine the effects of such a concert on Manitou Springs and then survey our residents for reactions.  I can only imagine the parking nightmares associated with bringing in 4500 people into our city on a regular basis. We currently experience this congestion during our yearly events.  I believe that Julian planned on 80 outside events, but I could be wrong on that amount. I cannot support and will actively oppose Julian&#039;s current site of choice as I believe it will ruin my quality of life and reduce the value of my home.    I will point out that Julian does not live in Manitou Springs and would not suffer the ill effects of such a project, he will only reap a financial profit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would encourage Julian to find a venue that is not directly adjacent to residential backyards.  The noise, light polution and traffic during the multiple outside activities will negatively impact the residents of Manitou&#8217;s westside.  When Julian asked me about the project, I told him it would destroy the quality of life I enjoy in Manitou Springs.  The noise produced during the outside concerts will be pumped into Manitou Springs effecting most of our city, due to Manitou Springs being situated in a valley.  I would suggest that Julian fill the proposed site with the lights and sound necessary for a multi-hour concert and determine the effects of such a concert on Manitou Springs and then survey our residents for reactions.  I can only imagine the parking nightmares associated with bringing in 4500 people into our city on a regular basis. We currently experience this congestion during our yearly events.  I believe that Julian planned on 80 outside events, but I could be wrong on that amount. I cannot support and will actively oppose Julian&#8217;s current site of choice as I believe it will ruin my quality of life and reduce the value of my home.    I will point out that Julian does not live in Manitou Springs and would not suffer the ill effects of such a project, he will only reap a financial profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michell as Amanda say&#039;s there is no area that &quot;has to be&quot; expanded currently, but it&#039;s not impossible to say that CDot would want for instance a longer turn lane at Serpintine Drive (off of the highway) or a clover leaf... Anything that would require that scale of change would kill that site due to cost.   Again, it&#039;s not likely to be the case, but not impossible and as Amanda pointed out, I was just addressing all possible issues. 

One Correction however... the current plan has up to aprox.130 events per year, not 200 with most planned for inside so as not to disrupt the residential life of Manitou.   I only point that out because a big goal would be to be a strong community partner and certainly part of that is having considered our impact on quality of life for the west end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michell as Amanda say&#8217;s there is no area that &#8220;has to be&#8221; expanded currently, but it&#8217;s not impossible to say that CDot would want for instance a longer turn lane at Serpintine Drive (off of the highway) or a clover leaf&#8230; Anything that would require that scale of change would kill that site due to cost.   Again, it&#8217;s not likely to be the case, but not impossible and as Amanda pointed out, I was just addressing all possible issues. </p>
<p>One Correction however&#8230; the current plan has up to aprox.130 events per year, not 200 with most planned for inside so as not to disrupt the residential life of Manitou.   I only point that out because a big goal would be to be a strong community partner and certainly part of that is having considered our impact on quality of life for the west end.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no way to know yet what the Colorado Department of Transportation might recommend right now as a study hasn&#039;t even been commissioned yet. Heron was just considering the possible hiccups in the project. But he was concerned about improvements to the road west of Ruxton and at the Highway 24 interchange where it could cut into available space for the building.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no way to know yet what the Colorado Department of Transportation might recommend right now as a study hasn&#8217;t even been commissioned yet. Heron was just considering the possible hiccups in the project. But he was concerned about improvements to the road west of Ruxton and at the Highway 24 interchange where it could cut into available space for the building.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://csbj.com/2012/01/23/manitou-event-center-shaping-up/comment-page-1/#comment-66037</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What part of Manitou Avenue would have to be expanded? I assume just the west end, west of the Ruxton Ave. roundabout.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of Manitou Avenue would have to be expanded? I assume just the west end, west of the Ruxton Ave. roundabout.</p>
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